Ganzen van Meidoum

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Ganzen van Meidoum

Berichtdoor yuti » Wo Apr 01, 2015 2:35 pm

De "Meidoem Ganzen" werden in 1871 gevonden in een graf in de buurt van de Meidoem Piramide.
Luigi Vassalli ontdekte de geschilderde afbeeldingen en verwijderde ze. (De ganzen zijn te bezichtigen in het Egyptisch Museum in Caïro).
Tiradritti's onderzoek suggereert nu bedrog. De echte taferelen zouden er mogelijk onder verborgen liggen.

http://www.livescience.com/50309-egypti ... -fake.html
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Re: Ganzen van Meidoum

Berichtdoor Philip Arrhidaeus » Wo Apr 08, 2015 7:28 pm

03/04/15
Egypt's famous 'Meidum Geese' tomb painting may be fake: Archaeologist

Egyptian Museum director says Italian archaeology expert theory unsubstantiated by scientific evidence
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/126823.aspx

Francesco Tiradritti of Kore University of Enna and director of the Italian archaeological mission to Egypt wrote an article for Live Science magazine that looks at the results of a new study of the painting. [...]
... Tiradritti told Live Science that when he realised that the bean and the red-breasted geese were unlikely to have been seen in ancient Egypt, he took a more critical look at the painting.
He found that some of the colours in the painting are unique, and the way that the geese are drawn, so that they appear to be the same size, is also unusual. The ancient Egyptians drew animals and people in different sizes, sometimes in order to convey their importance.
Tiradritti adds that the cracks in the painting “are not compatible with the supposed ripping of the painting from the wall.” He thinks that the geese were painted in the 19th century by Vassalli, who was a trained artist, on a real Pyramid Age paining.
“The only thing that, in my opinion, still remains to ascertain is what was (or ‘is’) painted under them. But that can be only established through a noninvasive analysis,” he said.


Tarek Tawfik, the director of the Grand Egyptian Museum which overlooks Giza Plateau, told Ahram Online that “until now there was no reason to doubt the authenticity of the Meidum Geese.”
The painting, he continued, is a part of a larger scene inside the mastaba tomb of Nefermaat who was known to be fond of innovation.
Proof of the authenticity of the painting, argued Tawfik, is that the upper limit of the painting bears the remains of the rest of the scene found on the wall of the mastaba tomb, which shows the feet of hunters who are chasing geese and ducks with nets.
Secondly, the hunting bird scenes are common scenes in ancient Egyptian tombs of the Old Kingdom.
In response to Tiradritti’s theory that the geese are not like those found in Egypt, Tawfik argued that the area where Meidum is located in Fayoum is located on the birds’ migration route and is a resting place for migrating birds.
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Re: Ganzen van Meidoum

Berichtdoor gaspard » Do Apr 16, 2015 11:55 am

In het Nederlands tijdschrift Archeogieonline verscheen wordt ook bevestigd dat de ganzen van Meidoum nagenoeg zeker fake zijn.
URL : http://archeologieonline.nl/nieuws/bero ... jnlijk-nep
Nep of geen nep ik vind ze prachtig :)
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Re: Ganzen van Meidoum

Berichtdoor gaspard » Vr Apr 17, 2015 10:50 pm

Op de website Archaeology wordt de echtheid van de ganzen van Meidoum ook in twijfel getrokken.
URL : http://www.archaeology.org/news/3135-15 ... idum-geese
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Re: Ganzen van Meidoum

Berichtdoor gaspard » Vr Apr 17, 2015 11:02 pm

Maar !!!!
Zahi Hawass beweert in de krant The Cairopost dat de ganzen van Meidoum wel degelijk ECHT zijn :roll:
URL : http://www.thecairopost.com/news/145516 ... ahi-hawaas
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Re: Ganzen van Meidoum

Berichtdoor Philip Arrhidaeus » Do Apr 23, 2015 7:11 pm

Dit is een bericht welk ik overneem van het EEF
http://www.egyptologyforum.org/
van de hand van de heer John Wyatt, 23/04/15:

One cannot look at modern migration routes for any bird species and assume that they were the same 6000 years ago. Too many geological, geographical and climatic events have occurred in that time to cause migration routes to change or be modified.

The painting does include three species of geese but one of these was initially misidentified. The Bean Goose (now actually
split onto two modern-day species) was not intended and should have been identified as a Greylag Goose. The other two were the Greater White-fronted Goose and the Red-breasted Goose.

All three of the depicted species of geese did certainly occur in Ancient Egypt.

The Greylag Goose was used as a hieroglyph, was probably the most frequently depicted goose in art and is still regularly
being identified from bone findings. It was also domesticated and remains the common farmyard goose of modern Egypt.

Both the Greater and Lesser White-fronted Geese were commonly portrayed in ancient art and both were used to depict the same hieroglyph. Bone records of both have been identified and additionally the Lesser White-fronted Goose was mummified. The Greater was a common winter visitor to Egypt until the middle of the 19th Century and thereafter became a rarer and more irregular arrival. The Lesser seems to have become a rare winter visitor much, much earlier than the Greater and is now considered to be just an Accidental.

The Red-breasted Goose has not, apart from a handful of sightings, been recorded in Egypt since the 19th Century.
It was possibly never more than a rare winter visitor to Ancient Egypt but was portrayed at least twice in art (The
Geese of Meidum and the Painted Wall of Hierakonpolis) and has been identified from bone records from the Delta.
Additionally Red-breasted Geese are known to migrate with other geese species from the same breeding areas so could
have come south in the past with, for example, Lesser White-fronted Geese. As we are learning from 12th Dynasty
Tombs, spectacular birds, even in tiny numbers, were spotted and portrayed in art.

Professor Salima Ikram has kindly confirmed that she herself has found all three of these species in bone deposits.

Birds and animals were very rarely drawn to scale in Ancient Egypt and, if they had been here, this painting would have
lost all artistic balance. The Greylag Goose is roughly two-thirds bigger than the White-fronted Goose and twice the
size of the Red-breasted Goose. The beautiful curved shape would totally have disappeared if accuracy had been the order
of the day.
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